CALS Campus Involvement

This blog will be posted on the UW Madison CALS Ambassador page at; it is meant to assist in recruitment efforts to the University.

Ever since I was a young child, I have wanted to be part of the Badger family. Growing up near Madison gave me a glimpse of the campus, but when I started to research UW-Madison more in high school and look opportunities offered elsewhere, I was continually amazed with the amount of campus involvement and clubs outside of my classes that Madison offered.

For me, it wasn’t the amazing academics, research opportunities or big ten athletics that drew me to the Madison campus. Although all of those things were benefits, I was enamored with the opportunities I would be offered through involvement in clubs across the CALS campus and experiences outside the classroom.

I am currently on a bus with 50 of my peers on the way to Ohio State University for the American Dairy Science Association Conference as part of Badger Dairy Club. Through BDC, I have had the opportunity to work at World Dairy Expo in Madison every year, attend conferences like ADSA and participate in a variety of networking experiences. BDC is an extremely social club and some of my favorite college memories have happened through BDC involvement.

Another organization that drew me to the campus was the Association of Women in Agriculture or AWA. Through AWA, I have created some lifelong friendships and really found my family within the CALS community. I have found a group of girls who have become like a true family through this professional, service and social organization.

Lastly, I have been part of the UW-Madison chapter of NAMA (National Agri-Marketing Association). NAMA is a small organization that connects directly to my intended career, agriculture marketing. Every year we create a marketing plan and compete at a national competition. NAMA has connected me with professionals who I am bound to work with and who have provided guidance for me throughout my college career.

Whether it is the athletics, the world class research institution or the big ten atmosphere that draws you to Madison, remember that as a student your experience will be far more valuable if you make connections with people who have similar interests through clubs and extra-curricular organizations. UW-Madison offers more than 700 student organizations and many of those are through the CALS campus.
I look forward to seeing you on campus in the future and hope that you will consider joining some of the many organizations UW-Madison has to offer.


Thankful for Agriculture

I was on the phone with my mom last night and when she asked what my plans were for the evening I told her I had a Collegiate Farm Bureau meeting. Tonight I had a College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (CALS) Ambassador meeting and tomorrow evening I will be attending a planning meeting with other students to prepare a presentation for the Farm and Industry Short Course students. My mom asked me if I was okay, if I was tired and worn out, “You are always at meetings. Don’t push yourself.”

Mom, thank you for your concern; it means the world to me, but I want you to know that I am blessed. I’ve been blessed with the ability and talent to contribute and blessed beyond belief with the people I get to work with on a daily basis. I am stressed and I do push myself and you aren’t the first person to tell me that I am always at meetings, I am overly involved and that I shouldn’t commit to too much. It is okay though, because I love the people I get to work with, people I have met in the industry and people who continue to influence me and have a positive impact on my life.

The people are what make the agriculture industry and encourage me to stay active, motivate me to do more and help me to succeed. I love you, Mom, and thank you, but just remember that you and Dad raised me to be committed, active and involved, to use my talents and to make the world a better place. I try to do all of those things and look forward to leaving my own footprint on the industry.

After my meeting last night I was able to participate in the last hour of #foodchat. The second reason I am thankful to be involved in agriculture is because the people in this industry have a passion for what they do. Farmers have a passion for the outdoors and compassion for the livestock that feed and clothe us. Over the last few years social media presence has grown to the volume where we can have conversations with people around the US and across the world about agriculture nearly every week with #agchat and #foodchat on twitter. I am thankful for the passion that is shared through these social media conversations.

Between my tweets, I tuned in to the last half hour of the Food Dialogue chat going on in Iowa last night. I am thankful to be involved in an industry that makes a difference. Without agriculture people would be both naked and hungry.

As thanksgiving approaches and the end of the College Aggies Contest is right around the corner, I reflect on the things I am thankful for and the impact that the agriculture industry has had on me.

So why am I thankful to be involved in agriculture? It is the people, the passion and the importance of what we do. We feed and clothe the world. Without farmers, producers, processors and all of the millions of people that contribute to agriculture our world would be a pretty tough place to live.

Happy Thanksgiving! Be sure to thank a farmer or agriculturalist for their commitment to feeding and clothing the world.

Food and the Future!

Nearly one out of every eight people goes to bed hungry. That is 842 million people who don’t know where they will find their next meal. That is parents who go to work without a pay check big enough to pay for food. That is children dying because they aren’t able to scrounge for enough nutritious food. That is families torn apart simply because they don’t have access to food. As the population continues to grow, food insecurity becomes a bigger problem.

According to the World Health Organization, food security is built on three pillars. Food availability, food access and food use all are components of food security. Making sure there are sufficient quantities of food available on a consistent basis is food availability. Access to food involves having sufficient resources to obtain appropriate foods for a nutritious diet. Lastly, use is defined by the knowledge of basic nutrition and care as well as adequate water and sanitation.

There are many debates about the amount of food available to adequately feed the world. The future needs of food, national food security related to global trade and the benefits and challenges involved with globalization are all involved.

I am lucky to have been born into a family who didn’t have to worry about where our next meal came from. Unfortunately, some people struggle daily to find food daily. They aren’t able to live a normal life, as their stomachs hunger for nutrition. As a society and world, we need to come up with innovative agriculture solutions to feed our growing population.

The Agriculture Innovation Prize sponsored by the Howard Buffett Foundation is one way in which we can help to solve the world’s food insecurity problems. The contest focuses on innovative ways to improve agriculture. That doesn’t just mean on the farm changes though. It encompasses the entire food system supply chain. Anything that involves land access and soil sustainability, agriculture production, distribution and aggregation, food processing and manufacturing, preparation-consumer and institutional products, and resource and waste recovery all encompass the contest.

Have an innovative agriculture idea? Think you have the next best way to solve a big problem related to farming, food, resources and waste? Please apply for the Agriculture Innovation Award. Details can be found at The entry deadline is February 28th, 2014. All you need for an entry is ten slides and a two page report. You could change the world with simply a ten slide entry and a few paragraphs explaining your idea.
Twenty five teams will be selected to compete in Madison, Wisconsin for the grand prize awards in April. There will be five winners. The grand prize winner will win $100,000 prize and the other four finalists will get $25,000 dollars. There will also be an audience choice award in the amount of $15,000.

I have been honored to be able to work with this project. Currently we are in the process of selecting speakers for the Key Note. I am not lying when I say that we are really dreaming big and aiming to get a large name to campus to provide inspiration for the contestants and audience.

Again, if you are interested or have an idea, big or small, that could change agriculture please visit and apply for this enormous award! You could make a difference in the lives of thousands of people who are affected by hunger.

Pork Producers Care

My pigs loved to get attention. Although my pigs were 4-H projects for the county fair, they still were harvested for meat at the end of the fair and entered into the food chain. My pigs, like pigs across the US are cared for from birth until harvest!

My pigs loved to get attention. Although my pigs were 4-H projects for the county fair, they still were harvested for meat at the end of the fair and entered into the food chain. My pigs, like pigs across the US are cared for from birth until harvest!

My dad often says, “I know more about my animal’s health records, medications and diet than I know about my own children’s health records.” Most people would be shocked by that statement; how could a father not know about his own children’s medical records and diets? That statement shows just how much farmers care. They don’t have an occupation in which you leave the office and forget about the week’s work. My dad works with our nutritionist to make sure our pigs are on the right diet and our veterinarian to ensure they are getting any antibiotics for health problems. My dad and other farmers are on duty 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Farmers receive certification and abide by the, “we care” motto, making sure they care for their animals, the environment, community and food safety. They continue to receive education that will help them provide the best possible care for animals and they work with veterinarians and nutritionists to make sure their hogs are receiving the best care possible at all times.

Farmers and other people involved in pork production ensure animal well-being, worker and food safety all the time. Their occupation is unique because they aren’t able to forget about work when they go home at the end of the day, they are concerned for the well-being of their animals all the time. All individuals in the pork supply chain play an important role in responsible pork production because all individuals care. We Care

I learned the importance of this during the summers of my youth, my siblings and I were pretend farmers. We had animals for the county and state fair and we would wake up when the chickens started crowing, trounce out to the barn to lead, walk, wash and fed all the hogs. Yes, getting animals ready for the fair is a bit different than a production farm, but farmers on production farms care for their animals all the same. They have health records, know their production numbers and are prepared to nurture them just like their own children.

Pork producers go beyond just caring for their animals though. The pork industry developed a producer education and certification program to ensure U.S. pork products are safe, high quality and animals are raised in a way ensuring their well-being. Many pork farmers are PQA Plus (Pork Quality Assurance Plus) trained. This training provides farmers with additional tools and knowledge to help them to properly take care of their animals.

As I was growing up, I compared the way I treated my pigs and the way many farmers treat their animals to how humans treat their children. I always found it interesting that parents don’t need certification and there are no inspections before children can be brought home. Pig farmers are encouraged to be PQA Plus trained; veterinarians and nutritionists visit the farms often and the We Care program ties sustainability, education and animal well-being all together. It’s okay that my dad knows more about my hogs medical and food needs than mine, because it shows the dedication that farmers have to their animals’ well-being and the safety of the product they produce.

I look forward to going to the grocery store knowing that I will have healthy, safe, and nutritious pork products to purchase. I know that the animals were well taken care of from start to finish, farmers work with veterinarians and nutritionists to keep hogs healthy, workers to keep farms safe, and environmental groups help to ensure sustainability. I trust in pork farmers and know I will have safe products to eat. Please join me in enjoying pork products in your next meal in celebration of National Pork Month!

Growing Population

The constant struggle between feeding the world while still meeting regulations and consumer expectations is a challenge. Chris Ashworth, chairman of the Animal Agriculture Alliance and technical service veterinarian for Elanco Animal Health said, “We are moving into an age when the next wars will be over food.” People are more concerned with the source of their food and how it was produced than ever before and more and more people have an opinion on food, as there are millions moving into the middle class where they have more choices related to food.
While population continues to grow and will surpass the 9 billion people mark by 2050, we will require 100% more food with 70% coming from efficiency-improving technology. Ashworth continued and stated, “Technology is a vital ingredient in making food safe, abundant and affordable.”
The article, found at was extremely educational and opened my eyes to some of the facts people are using to purchase food products. Consumers buy from modern, conventional farms with reasons for purchase being taste, cost and nutrition. 95% of people want to purchase the cheapest food, and as producers we need to be sure not to let the remaining five percent speak for our industry. The other 5% has had a strong voice, but we need to be open to conversations and willing to educate them about benefits of agricultural technologies.
The article was a great educational tool with some interesting facts. I look forward to using the facts as I agvocate with the College Aggies Online Competition. Be sure to follow me on twitter @KateGriswold!

College Aggies Online

It has been a busy start to my sophomore year at UW-Madison this fall. It is hard to believe I am already into my second year of school. Club meetings, work training and class have kept me entertained pretty much every hour of the day! Tonight UW-Madison’s chapter of Collegiate Farm Bureau welcomed over forty new members at our fall picnic! It was great to see so many people excited about agriculture and excited to be on campus! We look forward to seeing them next week at our first official meeting!
New this fall: I am participating in the College Aggies Online Competition with many other college ag students around the country. I am looking forward to talking about my experience in agriculture and use social media and blogs to share my story. I encourage you to join in the conversation on Tuesday night on #agchat to discuss topics related to agriculture on twitter. Another part of the competition is blogging and sharing stories about experiences in agriculture. I am excited to keep this blog more active fall semester and share experiences I have had in college.
I am in a unique position, as I am a college student in a college town that can tend to be extremely uneducated on agriculture. This position provides me a unique opportunity to educate the public and share experiences I have had. I look forward to continuing to spark conversation among consumers and talk with the public about agricultural issues! Watch my facebook and home farm facebook, Cozy Lane Farm, twitter accounts, @KateGriswold and @Kgriswold46 and this blog for more updates, ag facts, stats and stories!

John Deere Summer

Boy does time fly. After 10 weeks with John Deere, my amazing summer internship is wrapping up. I finished my final presentation to upper marketing management and my department on Friday. In the next two weeks I will be finishing up a few final projects including John Deere’s large ag engagement social media for the rest of 2013, attending Ag Media Summit in Buffalo, NY and attending John Deere’s product intro event in Columbus, Ohio. After a summer full of fun and learning I am excited to head back to the University of Wisconsin – Madison. Being away has taught me a few major lessons though.
1. Trust. One of the hardest things to earn from others. I have had to place a lot of trust in my roommates and fellow interns. You may not know, but I spent the summer eight hours from home in Kansas City, Kansas without a vehicle. Now this wouldn’t be that hard for some people, but I have lived in Wisconsin my entire life. I have had access to a vehicle whenever I needed since campus is only a half hour from my home, and my parents have been just as easily accessible. I placed trust in my fellow interns to get me to work and make sure I was able to have fun on the weekends too. Thank you to all the interns who helped me get to where I needed.
2. Trust is also one of the easiest things to loose. On the note of not having a vehicle, I am very appreciative for my roommate who graciously let me borrow her truck, even after a huge and expensive mistake. After borrowing her very noisy, diesel sounding, but gas running truck, I filled it with diesel. In return for letting me borrow it, I wanted to return it with a full tank. Two miles down the six lane highway it stopped running. I am thankful I was placed with a Texas girl who is forgiving and slow to anger. I was the one crying on the phone and she made sure everything was going to be okay. More than $1000 and five trips to different car repair shops, the truck is running again and she is still talking to me. I am thankful that she placed a trust back in me to make my mistake right in the end. Another lesson…money fixes a lot of things and what it doesn’t fix, trust, compassion, a sense of humor and a good personality will.
3. I learned to ask questions too…questions about the type of fuel to run in a truck and about the type of goals people have in their lives. I learned a lot about the people I am with and the goals people have for their future, as well as how they got to where they are now. Events that happened at home that changed their life direction and what they plan to do in the future. Asking questions about jobs and job descriptions, truck fuel and life goals and ambitions are important. Asking questions also helps you meet and bond with some pretty amazing people. If anybody ever needs any auto work done in KC, Eilenburgers Automotive is the place to go….they have the best people working for them and the manager is one of the most down to earth people I ever met.
4. Life is more than work. During this summer I spent my time working and doing my best for the internship I had. John Deere is an outstanding company, but one that reminds its employees that work isn’t everything. Coming to work every day is necessary so that we can have lives outside of work and money to pay for living. Yeah, it is a big part of your life…a part you spend eight hours per day, five days a week on, but it isn’t your entire life. I am so grateful for the company I had the opportunity to work with, the people in my department who were a fantastic support system and the lessons I learned on the job. One of the greatest lessons being that life outside of the job is just as, or more important than the 40 hours we spend at work weekly.
5. Mentors aren’t always those named, but those which you share information with and have a lasting lifetime impact. I had two assigned mentors at John Deere, my boss and advisor. By the end of the summer, I think of them as not only mentors, but friends who I can trust and people who will be in my life in the future. I thank Barry for his humor, card tricks and management style. Pam has been instrumental in my success with Deere and an important part of my summer. In addition to my boss and advisor, I have identified Erica as a mentor. She has shared her work path with me and assisted me as I make decisions about the future. My roommate Caitlin has also been an amazing mentor as she is in her second internship with Deere. I have been blessed with great people and amazing mentors.
6. My parents always told me to make good decisions, and if I wasn’t going to make good decisions, I should always judge those bad decisions on whether or not they may be life changing. This leads to my next lesson…you always need to be careful. I am a college student who likes to go out and have fun, like most other college students. Go out, have fun, live life but be careful.
7. Timing is everything. Timing in relationships and job offers is undeniable. You never know what will happen…or not happen, all because of timing. Relationships rely on timing. Attraction is important, but being single at the same time and in the same city at the same time are all just as important. I guess all we can do is move on and place hope in the future. Internship opportunities and job offers are only accepted if given at the right time. There is no international offer and acceptance date…sometimes we just need to take chances and trust that we’ll make the right decisions. Timing is everything.
8. Friends will get you through anything. Friendships take cultivating and time to develop, but sometimes your best friends aren’t based on the amount of time you have known them, but the quality of the time, conversations and life events you share with them. I am thankful for all the people I met throughout my lifetime and the people who I’ve had long phone conversations with, the people who have sent me snail mail, emails, snapchats and texts. I appreciate all the people from home who I can count on to still be there when I return even when distance keeps us apart.
9. After a summer spent in KC, I have gained a greater appreciation for people who don’t worry and don’t let other people judge their decisions. In the end, we have to do what makes us individually happy. Life isn’t about what others think or say, it is about what makes each individual person happy. There is no reason to judge others or think of them differently because of the things they have done, we all need to live our own lives.
10. Time flies when you are having fun! Life has this funny way of moving faster than anyone can ever imagine. After a spring of excitement and anticipation and maybe a little fear, I moved to Kansas without knowing anyone. I have made some amazing friends and feel blessed with the time I have had to learn about a new city and grow on my own. I have a greater appreciation for this little part of the world I call home in Madison, Wisconsin. But, I also now realize that there is more to this world than I ever thought. Madison is an amazing city, but there are so many places and cultures in this world I have yet to explore. I am excited to go back to my corner of the universe for another year of college, but excited for what the future has to hold. I know I want to travel, meet new people and explore other areas of the United States and world. What an amazing world we live in.
Anyone who is debating taking an internship in another place, away from home my advice is to take it while you are young. I have such an appreciation for Madison, but your views are skewed until you have seen something else. Yeah, I only moved eight hours away, but I still saw something far different from home. I experienced Kansas, lived with someone from Texas and learned about the culture there has opened my eyes to problems we still face every day in the United States. As wild and crazy as we get back home, we are sheltered to the problems in the world and the things that happen even in our own country. I wouldn’t trade this experience for anything. I missed a party or two in Madison, I missed Lodi and WI State Fair, and I missed some valuable family time, but I got to learn about media communications, visit K-State, go to Power and Light Bar District for some neat concerts, meet some amazing people and created memories I wouldn’t have experienced if I had stayed in Wisconsin all summer. Modern technology has kept me close with family and friends and helped me to have an amazing summer, even away from home!

Alltech Photo Contest

I was selected as a finalist for the Alltech Farms in Focus Photo Contest! Please go to this link to vote for my picture. It is my picture of me with my pig at the County Fair last year. I would greatly appreciate the vote, as the grand prize is a little bit of cash. Thank you for your continued support! Here is the link,, it will only take you a few seconds!

CALS Involvement in Agriculture

As a student on the University of Wisconsin–Madison campus, I see signs everywhere supporting and promoting the views of a diverse culture of students and staff. Signs supporting marriage rights and views, signs promoting a broad range of events, and signs asking people to join a vast network of clubs and organizations plaster our campus.

However, it isn’t too often I see signs supporting agriculture.

The students in the College of Agricultural and Life Sciences (CALS) are working to change this. During the fall semester, Badger Dairy Club promoted the dairy industry by broadcasting images of Alice in Dairyland along with information about chocolate milk as a recovery drink on TV’s across campus. This spring, students are celebrating agriculture in numerous ways as well. CALS has dedicated a special week in April to celebrate the diversity of agriculture and educate our peers. During CALS Week, numerous events such as CALS Day for Kids, Breakfast on the Farm and Ag Day on Campus will take place.

CALS Week kicks off with the Association of Women in Agriculture’s annual Breakfast on the Farm. Held on April 14 at the Stock Pavilion, the breakfast attracts around 1,000 visitors for a country-style breakfast, entertainment and agriculture education exhibits.

Later in the week, on Tuesday, April 16, Collegiate Farm Bureau and the CALS Student Association are hosting Terry Fleck from the Center for Food Integrity who will be speaking to a diverse group about the importance of open communication between consumers and producers.

CALS Day for Kids, which is held on April 17, hosts multiple elementary-age students at the Stock Pavilion to learn about agriculture. The following week, on April 24, Ag Day on Campus will take place on Library Mall. This high traffic area on campus will house a tractor, educational signs, free food made from products grown in Wisconsin, and many enthusiastic students ready to share their agricultural stories. Each of the events will begin to open doors between farmers and the dinner table.

Volunteers for Ag Day with Bucky. Even Bucky supports Wisconsin agriculture!

Volunteers for Ag Day with Bucky. Even Bucky supports Wisconsin agriculture!

Sharing the importance of technology and innovation in agriculture and our own agricultural stories is a vital part of our job as producers and agriculturists. If we don’t tell our story, somebody else will tell it for us. Often the people who decide to tell OUR story aren’t involved in agriculture and portray agriculture production negatively.

Engage in agricultural education through the planning of an agriculture event, attend one of the multiple breakfasts on the farm, post something educational on a social media site, engage in current social media movements, or simply start a conversation with someone unfamiliar with agriculture. Education is an essential piece in consumer acceptance of agricultural technology.

Students at UW-Madison are excited to take an active role in educating consumers. I hope you will join us in this agriculture education movement.

Agvocating Everyday

This week in Plant Pathology 123, a class I am taking at the UW for biological science credit, we spent some of the lecture watching a clip from the movie Food Inc. I attend this lecture with three of my fellow sisters in the Association of Women in Agriculture. We are all passionate about agriculture and feeding the world. As the videos played we endured Michael Pollan talking about animals being knee deep in manure, the spread of E. Coli on farms and carcasses going to slaughter covered in manure. Taylor, Emily, Jaime and I sat in disbelief, as we have all seen the movie, but we were shocked that it was being shown in this class. We all know that the farms some of us own and others of us have visited, animals are not treated inhumanely and aren’t covered in manure. We were appalled. Instead of just leaving the class frustrated, which we did anyway, Taylor and I decided to take a stance. My good friend Taylor grew up on her family’s 850 cow dairy farm in Watertown, Wisconsin, Rosy Lane Holsteins. Taylor and I sent our professor a lengthy email with resources that share the true story of agriculture. Our email to our professor went as follows:

Dr. Rakatondrafara,

My name is Taylor Holterman and I am in your Plant Pathology 123 class. I would like to share the following information, articles and resources with you because I am from a farming background, and what I saw in the videos shown today and during the guest lecture on Monday were not representative of what I believe agriculture to be.

I was raised on a dairy farm one hour East of Madison near Watertown, Wis. I was active in 4-H for 12 years showing dairy cattle as well as beef and sheep for a few years. I was also an FFA member for five years expanding my knowledge of the industry through a “Supervised Agricultural Experience.” My senior year of high school, I won the Wisconsin State FFA Dairy Entrepreneurship Proficiency for the herd of 18 dairy cattle I own, which are housed on my parent’s farm. My parents started with 70 milking cows and today have 850 as well as two business partners and approximately 20 full-time employees. This type of farm today is classified as a “factory” farm as well as CAFO, however what the video portrayed in class today was nothing like it is on our farm nor other farms I have been on. Everyone I know takes care of their animals to the highest standards; there are no snow-days or holidays on a farm.

On every farm I have been including dairy farms in Georgia, Florida, England, Germany and Bulgaria, as well as on our own, animals are treated humanely and cared for 24/7. I would like to invite you to talk with me more on this subject, as well as view the following resources. First off, I would like to ask you to watch this video of my mom, Daphne Holterman. She was selected last year as a Finalist for the United States Farmers and Ranchers Alliance “Faces of Farming and Ranching” Competition. This is the video created by them: Also, in 2009, she was selected as World Dairy Expo’s Dairy Woman of the Year. You can probably tell her passion for agriculture and animals was instilled in me!

Another video and article about my parent’s and our family:

Our farm’s Facebook page: On pages 10-11, my mom is featured here talking about what she does.

Video from a blogger “Dairy Carrie” – her site also has great articles and other resources as well. This video made some news outlets in the agricultural industry and stood out to me.

United States Farmers and Ranchers Alliance’s Food Dialogues – a great conversation about farming and where our food comes from

My friend, Kate Griswold, who is also in Plant Pathology 123 with me saw the videos in class today as well. Kate grew up on her families’ hobby farm just West of Madison, Wisconsin in Black Earth and both her parents work in the dairy industry. She has grown up being involved with 4-H and FFA and showed beef cattle, sheep, hogs and poultry. Although Kate didn’t grow up on a large farm, she has been exposed to a wide range of agricultural production methods and visited a number of farms. Neither Kate or I believe the videos shown in class were representative of agriculture or the way farmers treat their animals.

I would be happy if you shared this with the class because there are definitely two sides to this story. Negative media like ideas from Michael Pollan are only showing one side of the story.

If you have any more questions or would even like to visit our farm, please let me know. I am happy to share all of my knowledge as well as my family’s farm. I love sharing what great things our farm does. As my mom says, “Our farm is open to anyone with an open mind.”

Thank you for your time,


We need to share our stories. Sometimes it is as simple as sending an email with additional resources like we did. People continue to mistrust agriculture because of the things people far removed from the topic say. It is our responsibility to continue to share the truth. Throughout the day today this email has had multiple shares and has plastered many facebook walls. I am sad to say that we haven’t heard back from our professor at this point. I will keep you posted to any feedback she provides us or shares with our class.